![]() Maybe it’s a mechanistic way of looking at things, but I think of decisions, the choices people make. I think everybody has potential to go any which way. Now that we’ve seen all this water under the bridge, would you say that’s still an accurate read? Or has Jimmy sold himself out? Peter Gould I sort of thought about Breaking Bad for a long time as about a man everybody assumed was good who deep down was not that good, and I thought about this show for a long time a a man who everybody assumed was bad, who deep down was not that bad. The one thing I wouldn’t want to do is tread water or feel that we’ve overstayed our welcome. So my hope would be that we run roughly the same length as Breaking Bad. I don’t really think of it as a universe. I think of these as stories about very specific characters. But I don’t really think of this as an extended universe. I guess maybe it’s not as unusual as I think because people talk about extended universes. It’d be wonderful if this show, too, had a beginning, a middle, and God-willing a satisfying ending, and then it has a relationship to this other show. Vince, and Bryan and all of us did it together, led by Vince, of course. Bryan Cranston and I were in his trailer once, and I said, “Wouldn’t it be great, and you could have a row of DVDs, and the first one is the pilot of Breaking Bad, onto the end.” And we did it. Boy, it would be wonderful to have this box set, and you turn it one way, and it’s the RV from Breaking Bad, and then you flip it around, and it’s Jimmy’s Esteem from Better Call Saul. I’ll tell you that.Īnd Breaking Bad ran 62 episodes. I would like to see more of Gene Takovic. I don’t think the end of the story is Walter White walking in and his whole world falling apart. It’s a different kind of story, because I always go back to that saying, which I heard as a kid, which is, “Where there’s life, there’s hope.” We know that Jimmy/Saul/Gene lives, and so I want to know what is the end of this man’s story? I don’t know. I think the similarity with Breaking Bad is that this is a story with a beginning, a middle, and an end, and I think we’re probably closer to the end than to the beginning. But do you have the sense that you’re approaching some sort of end game? Peter Gould Obviously, you could just run this show forever as “Saul takes a case of the week,” and I would watch it. Peter Gould Photo by Jesse Grant/Getty Images for AMC Todd VanDerWerff That portion of our conversation, lightly edited for length and clarity, follows. But the more I thought about this idea, the more it made sense. Begone, because spoilers follow.Īfter Gould and I had discussed just why this was the right time to turn Jimmy McGill into Saul Goodman, what might happen to Kim in the near future, and why Mike’s storyline this season culminated in his murder of Werner, I had one last, pressing question: Just how much longer can this show go on? Gould’s answer surprised me somewhat, because I had never thought he might tell more stories about this character after Breaking Bad’s end (beyond the short flash-forwards to that timeline that have started each season). And to move beyond this point, those of you who haven’t seen the show should really bail. We talked about the origins of the show, as well as the deeper questions it raises about human philosophy and morality.īut toward the end of our chat, we embarked on a spoiler-filled discussion of season four’s finale, especially the big turn at the end. Recently, Better Call Saul showrunner Peter Gould (who co-created the series with Vince Gilligan and wrote the episode of Breaking Bad in which Saul Goodman originally appeared) joined me for the latest episode of my podcast, I Think You’re Interesting. ![]() Better Call Saul season 4 finale: The hugely important final shot, explained ![]()
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